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Selling hate, fear and failure as salvation

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George Orwell couldn't have written a better scene than Sarah Palin's rally in Florida. As MSNBC aired it this morning, Sarah performed against the backdrop of red tee-shirted moms, waving signs that read Country First along with chants of, USA Number One, Drill, Baby Drill, and of course boos for the enemies.

There are lots of enemies too. Who are they? Dang it all, don't we know?

if you aren't with us, you're against us. It's as simple as pie and right now the list of enemies includes anyone who isn't on Palin's team. Of course that includes the opposition candidates, characterized by Pain as planning to reduce jobs, increase taxes and cast suspicion suggesting there is a subversive and nefarious agenda on the other side of the political aisle. Give me a freaking break.

Let me count the ways the issues we the public want to talk about are ignored. We have a month to have a National conversation about the State of Our Nation. Can we talk or must we spend it listening to a rant better suited as a sequel to Mean Girls? Can we see some grownups step out of the stands to act as leaders, not cheerleaders for one pair as our only salvation, versus a plan to get somewhere fixing things?

Impress us not by being among the intellectual average but the exceptionally thoughtful concerned with that broad spectrum of critical issues that face us. Glenn Greenwald described it well.

The economic anxiety levels are as high as one can recall, teetering on panic, and even the Wall St. Journal Editorial Page is acknowledging that America's days of economic dominance are over. The national debt is over a staggering $10 trillion and has doubled in the last 8 years alone. And the symbols of our nation have become gulags, the waterboard, an endless stream of bombs and occupations, and people imprisoned forever with no charges of any kind.

And as these flames engulf America's foundations, what is the Right doing -- the movement that brought us all of this through their virtually absolute control of our Government for the last eight years? They're spending all their time chattering with each other about an aging 1960s radical and giddily cheering the increasingly repellent Sarah Palin as she skips around the country in front of rambunctiously booing right-wing crowds accusing Barack Obama of palling around with The Terrorists and pointing out that he doesn't see America the way all the Normal, Good Americans do.

Palin's rhetoric is so empty and offensive it would be collapsed or deleted under our CoH at Newsvine if it were added in a comment thread. Then again our goal is to get smarter and engage in thoughtful exchange, their goal is clearly, something else.

Where are the subjects that have some relevance to our National woes, or show a way out of the messes we're in? Can our pivotal issues get a snippet of discussion time?

Nope, by golly there's none of the pesky details of growing bankster fraud, following the Bushy Bonesmen and their Blue Blooded, Poision Ivy Leauge minions, rob taxpayers again and again.

It's too much to endure in quantities without Tina Fey to deliver it. The story line of "Whadda ya know Joe Six Pack, we've got a reformed member of the 1960's Weatherman, who's teaching in Chicago but might threaten all who love America if McCain isn't in the White House. Rise up and reject the enemy lovers, with their plans to destroy the Nation you love, flinging their criticisms at this Great Country of ours.

Guess what you Rovian thieves, only the hubris of power and isolation of lavishness could cause you to believe this would sell. In a striking parallel with the sinking of the Titanic, those of us in steerage are all seeing the water up to our eyeballs. On the uppermost decks the orchestra may play on and provide a false sense of normalcy, calm and comfort, but it doesn't matter one whit to folks on the bottom who know when they are drowning.

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Thanks to schnoo for seeding the Salon piece by Glenn Greenwald, quoted above.

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  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
{"commentId":3358826,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

I just seeded an article about the "cranky " McCain.  The right's villainy is beginning to take its toll among the undecided.  The Republican ticket has become a pit bull in lipstick and Dennis the Menace's Mr. Wilson.

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  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 3:11 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3356350,"authorDomain":"mikerupert"}

You're right when you say Palin's rhetoric is empty and offensive. Anything now goes for the McCain campaign, because when you got nothing to lose, nothing's off the table. Signs reading "Country First" are really the most bizarre because John McCain put his country last when he caved into the far right and chosen a person not close to being qualified for VP. It's refreshing to see the polls, the battleground states and critical red states, Missouri, Virginia, North Carolina and Indiana, moving in Obama's direction. Gives you hope that the majority see through these tactics.

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  • 8 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
{"commentId":3357260,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

There's always got to be hope because it's the only thing that will deliver you the impossible or the only thing strong enough to help endure the effort which still ends with a loss.   

Theodore Roosevelt  "The Man In The Arena" 

Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, France April 23, 1910

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. 

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  • 10 votes
#2.1 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
{"commentId":3359392,"authorDomain":"jimdent"}

One of my favorite speeches. But then, you already knew that ;)

Olbermann had something to say about palins scare tactics also.

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  • 6 votes
#2.2 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
{"commentId":3360066,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
One of my favorite speeches. But then, you already knew that ;)

It's near the top of a long list of reasons to ♥ you!!

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  • 5 votes
#2.3 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 4:05 PM EDT
{"commentId":3365107,"authorDomain":"ScarlerTermite"}

Where's T.R. when you need him?

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  • 1 vote
#2.4 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 8:43 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3356761,"authorDomain":"jcunningha"}

If I did not know better I would swear that the McCain campaign had been taken over by a group of escaped lunatics experiencing acid flash back. Regardless of how informed you may consider yourself, you really have no idea what is going to come out of their mouths next.

As to Ms. Palin, it is my thought that on or around Nov. the fifth she shall slowly recede into the foot notes of history quietly and without a whimper, she has had her fifteen minutes and for me the fifth cannot come soon enough.

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  • 9 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
{"commentId":3356836,"authorDomain":"mikerupert"}

They are very unpredictable at this point. I would think that for independents, and those on the fence, it's probably a bit disconcerting, because these tactics really are a turn off. People want to know what you're going to do about the issues of the day.

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  • 8 votes
#3.1 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 1:45 PM EDT
{"commentId":3357763,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

Buddy can you spare a billion!

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  • 8 votes
#3.2 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 2:25 PM EDT
{"commentId":3360077,"authorDomain":"barbara474"}

"When you ain't got nothin', you got nothin' to loose'  Bob Dylan

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  • 7 votes
#3.3 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 4:05 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3357561,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}

Tough questions as usual Pamela.

At an overview level (and offered merely as a neutral observer) Republicans must be able to claim their fair share of successes that have contributed to what America represents. Against that backdrop, it is really hard (nay, inexplicable) why these two are so hell bent on destroying everything with the way they are running the campaign. And why their party is allowing them to continue doing so. Why allow what is a pretty sorry situation to get so much worse?

Do these two not realise how much harm the way they are running their campaign doing to America's standing in the world? At exactly the time when it needs to start thinking of reversing that perception. It really beggars belief.

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  • 7 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
{"commentId":3357635,"authorDomain":"redruby"}

Once again, Pamela, you've nailed it.  This is a pitiful situation when we are supposedly able to choose the best of the best.  What a statement about this country that cheerleading, smirky liars are embraced by so many.   I understand Palin's smirky, winking appeal on the surface but I cannot understand so many swallowing it whole without question.  God forbid we try to have real issues discussed...there's that gotcha elite media.  What a disgraceful joke!

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  • 9 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 2:19 PM EDT
{"commentId":3358926,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

I just read an article about a Nebraskan military town.  People there believe Obama is the antiChrist and find Palin a big plus.  She is a more than mean girl, she is the antiChrist.

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  • 4 votes
#5.1 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3358247,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

 I understand Palin's smirky, winking appeal on the surface but I cannot understand so many swallowing it whole without question.  

To me it looks like one more piece of consumer manipulation that assures any kind of %$#@ you want to sell can have a market created to swallow it.  Through promotion and packaging its possible to hit the right demographic appeal to sell your brand.  

One little wrinkle in that is the track record of the current brand can't hide forever.  Folks are too poor, cold, hungry and hopping mad!  When there was never enough extra to insure kids, how come $700 billion suddenly appeared to be paid to the most richly compensated, incompetent CEO's on Wall Street.   

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  • 9 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 2:45 PM EDT
{"commentId":3358987,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

Your comment reminded me of the Italian artist who canned his @!$%# and developed a following. 

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  • 5 votes
#6.1 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3358673,"authorDomain":"gabby3239"}

Both Presidential Candidates Barack Obama and John McCain have sit on boards of various organizations, and the McCain Campaign wants to insist that the mere fact that Senator Obama set on a board of some organization with what they called a unrepentant terrorist who done his bad acts when Obama was 8 years old some how demonstrates bad judgement on the part of Senator Obama. But now we get the revelation that Senator McCain was a member of a organization and set on the board of a group that supported and collaborated with Nazi sympathizers as part of the Iran/Contra debacle in South America . I have a question which is should a sitting United States Congressman or Senator have been actively or passively involved with any group that supported or espoused the ideas of the Holocaust that happened at the hands of Nazi Germany, and systematically were routinely murdering innocent women and children and even killing some innocent Catholic Priest and Nuns in the process of trying to hunt down and kill people that they deemed inferior and unworthy of existence. John McCain was a fully grown man and as well as a member of Congress when these acts that his organization supported were being carried out while on the other hand when the acts of William Ayers that the Mccain Campaign has decried and railed so forcefully against Senator Obama for and about were committed Senator Obama was a 8 year old kid going to elementary school.

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  • 5 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
{"commentId":3359086,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

In desparation the Republicans are trying to ressurect the divisive polarities of the 60s.  Destroying that polarity is at the core of Obama's campaign.  Palin is a Freudian hysteric.

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  • 6 votes
#7.1 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3362969,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}

I've met people like McCain before. They're the @!$%#up sons of wealth. They tend to have little ability to judge risk because they've been bailed out of every sticky situation they've gotten into, and yet they've no empathy because they've been spoilt and lauded not for their achievements but their connections. They die in car accidents, airplanes, and drug overdoses. They're ego driven and failure prone. They're stupid because they never needed to make the effort.

Most of all they have bad tempers. Stamping their foot worked all their lives, and they expect it to work now. Make no mistake Palin's attack on Obama over Ayers is part of this, as is McCain's continual return to the only thing he deserves credit for - his days as a POW. A greater man might have been made great in that forge, but we see in his eventual, self-serving support of torture by the US that this man is in no way great.

Where I've met these people in person, they've run a series of businesses into the ground while engaging in sharp practices and mistreating their staff. We've seen a country run into the ground by one and heaven help us if we put the creaking shell into the hands of another one.

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  • 7 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 6:21 PM EDT
{"commentId":3363127,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

They're the @!$%#up sons of wealth. They tend to have little ability to judge risk because they've been bailed out of every sticky situation they've gotten into, and yet they've no empathy because they've been spoilt and lauded not for their achievements but their connections. 

I'm trying very hard to think who else that describes?  Hmm, so many to choose from but a quintessential one is bound to come to mind! My goodness, there we go, that's the one! :~)

We've seen a country run into the ground by one and heaven help us if we put the creaking shell into the hands of another one.

Heaven would be our final hope!

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  • 6 votes
#8.1 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 6:33 PM EDT
{"commentId":3364646,"authorDomain":"redruby"}

Rolling Stone has an excellent article about the dishonest and reckless life and career of John McCain 

http://redruby.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/06/1958529-make-believe-maverick-

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  • 5 votes
#8.2 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 8:12 PM EDT
{"commentId":3368470,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

Oooh thank you, traveling by link fits the entertainment budget too!  *smirk*

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  • 2 votes
#8.3 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 11:02 PM EDT
{"commentId":3369901,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}

I meant to say, Pamela, great article :)

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  • 2 votes
#8.4 - Tue Oct 7, 2008 11:35 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3471112,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

It is heartening to see that lots of regular people are finally fed up with all the political b.s. and wild attacks -- I mean, mocking community organizers, for pete's sake. Voters have grown up enough to handle the bad news and listen to the reasoned voice of calm competence in Obama, over the snappy catch phrases and buzzwords uttered by pitbull Palin. McCain is almost a blip in this campaign -- have you noticed? It is all Obama and Palin that people talk about, and just about universally they say that yeah, Palin is no way ready for the VP and God forbid the Oval Office. McCain is actually pretty smart to lie as low as possible because the more that folks realize what a loose cannon, what a volatile personality he is, the more they will decide that there is no way we can put him near the button.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:00 AM EDT
{"commentId":3471558,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

It is heartening to see that lots of regular people are finally fed up with all the political b.s. 

It seems as a people we are finally ready to look for our better selves.  We can use it!!

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  • 2 votes
#9.1 - Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:53 AM EDT
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