Where's My Seed? CBS censorship Video disappears, again!!

Got any soma you can spare??

Sorry, never touch the stuff, kinda into reality however distasteful it may be.

There must be a glitch from the server move. Bondibox seeded the same story that was eaten and it is alive and well. There goes another good conspiracy theory!!

I do understand the innerworkings of government from working in a Congressional office and then eight years as a Beltway Bandit selling high tech networks. Well they were high tech for the Regan era of computing. You're right though about orchestrating it all and a Bible for any who want to know both the mechanism and names of the core control is Antony Sutton's book on Skull and Bones and the companion one, Fleshing Out the Skull and Bones that is built on it.

The second includes sample chapters to read online and includes full membership list in the index that goes by graduation year and last name. It is very helpful in knowing which businesses will benefit from bailouts and unfair subsidies and trade negotiations too!!

*two minutes later*

Okay, here's one more...

It's hard for me to say which is more impressive, the linked content or an embedded link done in the edit mode. Once my click link button is inaccessible it's a paste only option for me!! :~)

Are you referring to the fact that I know the HTML code for linking (

Yes siree, the only thing that's impressive in my arsenel is my Jim Dent crib sheet for these! ☆

Oh, sorry about that. I should probably delete it since bondibox seeded an article and I have this. Maybe not, MSNBC gets to triplicate seeds, why not viners? *smirk* I was looking in the author tools for edit seeds and it wasn't there so that's when I figured they were both lost. Thanks!!

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/07/16/al_marri/

That was totally seeded and I had commented on it and linked to it. That's unbelievable, Salon is censored content? C'mon folks, we get all the news that's fit to link, for clueless Americans? How long will it be before I'm ushered off to my new undisclosed location with a lovely orange jumpsuit?

It was scary as all get out with description of how the radical South Carolina judge was changing the law so citizens qualified for the Gitmo style detention. I haven't been this spooked in a while, so nice to be owned by the MSM boys, gives you that Big Brother feeling all over.

Aww, thank you Brenda. A few friends and some cookies can always pull me through!

That was in another users column, someone new because I went to seed it and it was flagged as already seeded, but I left a comment and it is gone now. This seed was gone from the vine when I went to look for it. It was missing from my history too, since I couldn't remember the user name I looked there, then tried the seed a link to see if it showed up and it didn't. I didn't try to seed it again hoping it would reappear. It was here and it is gone now.

"tvnewslies.org"

No kidding? I used to read that all the time and get email updates every day. Then it vanished about a year ago and after a few months of checking I figured it was just too hard for Jesse to keep the site alive. I'm glad it isn't gone and will need to go update all my contact info there. Jesse, the creator was a news guy in NYC and following 9/11 realized the news lies. Heck I even did a telephone interview on his radio show in like 2004, when folks were still calling talk about gmo food conspiracy theory. He's terrific and this is a happy note for my day, thank you!!!

My pleasure, knowledge is power and we the people need every bit of power we can muster. Plus after years of digging in the muckiest muck there's nothing happier than sharing. Love it!!

There are used copies around on EBay too, though I try to support Trine Day whenever possible. I did see Trine Day was out of stock on it now. I go to them because I'll always try to opt for small, free enterprise over corporate institutions but with these Bonesman books, Trine Day had it when mainstream had it banned. They need the income to keep the rebel presses running and it's good to try to put a little extra in the pockets of my own kind.

Another great book that I found at Trine day but doesn't seem to be there now is this.. Everything You Know Is Wrong - The Disinformation Guide to Secrets and Lies - edited by Russ Kick -

There's a whole long summary of contents but a few of my favorites are below and keep in mind this was published in 2002. Think how long the Congress has covered up what was actually available information!!

If you depend on the tube or the Times for all your news, you probably missed a few important stories. The section "Not on the Nightly News" will fill in some of the gaps. To begin with, there's the startling number of accidents, near-misses, and other problems in nuclear power plants, a subject near and dear to nuclear safety engineer David Lochbaum's heart (his "Fission Stories" tells all).

The attacks of September 11 are still being analyzed from multiple perspectives, and in "911 and Beyond," we bring you some early attempts to figure out that overwhelming day. "The Accidental Operative" is Camelia Fard and James Ridgeway's groundbreaking look at the Taliban's unofficial US ambassador, who just happens to be the niece of a former CIA Director.

Alex Burns, editor of the Disinformation Website, looks at militant Islam's literal worship of the atomic bomb, as well as the complexity of the terrorist mindset, in "A Canticle for Osama Bin Laden." In the wake of the anthrax attacks and the looming threat of widespread biowarfare on the US, Naomi Klein (of No Logo fame) shows us in "Battle Boring" why America was/is so woefully unprepared.

Finally, in "September 11, 2001: No Surprise," Russ Kick offers a huge amount of evidence indicating that the upper levels of the US government knew what was coming. Call it a conspiracy theory if you wish, but when the Director of the CIA privately warns Congress of "an imminent attack on the United States of this nature," it's hard to reach any other conclusion.

Aww, I didn't check it but if you look at my comment above I thought Jesse finally ran out of money to keep the site going. It was a fab site, from after 9/11 until about 2006 it was awesome.

Did you see that Jesse stopped by to say hello in comment #17 and to say the site's fine!!

Mike Rupert was covering these crooks in his FTW- From the Wilderness Site, I think he also contributed to the film, America Freedom To Fascism. In any case a great guy and suggestion.

Im sort of like a thorn in a crook's side?

Then why aren't you on my friends list yet? :~)

Maybe this story of Zimbawe is what SthPacific is refering to, just a guess though.

Thanks for those links, especially the history. It does all come down to a handful of folks, eh?

No kidding, that was new to me and jumped out as a very interesting bit of history. It was also amusing that he began as a Coke vendor; yet another of our favorite old, corporate empires.

What's Merrill Lynch to do to find a new source of those 35% profit

Consumer credit?

Sweetie pie, you make my crust flakey, just by showing up. I'll roll for you any time! :~)

Yes, thank you for that and I'll try to keep an eye out for the difference. There are a few of the homonyms I get right, but not too many. Spelling is one of my very worst areas and it makes my kiddies bonkers. Even the spell check is baffled with no suggestions too often. They kiddies won't even edit my writing unless bribed, okay blackmailed and bribed, so we keep it to a rarity.

They swear that any adult with a misspent youth overcompensates by having their own children do things like take Latin and do Strunk and White level English. Payback is to laugh at my writing and not tell why. With help from kind hearted commenters, there's even hope for the likes of me. :~)

There is a tracking cookie attached to that link you put up for the Al Marri seed. Its only on your link not mine.

What does that mean? Did I do something or is it my network or Newsvine? All I know about cookies is that my kiddies supposedly have them blocked on system so I don't get ads and viruses.

You gotta' stop being so paranoid. I

When I worked with the folks at the CIA there was a joke, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you aren't right! For the record I'm not paranoid, just have a health dose of wise skepticism about a system of corporate government and lap dog media which perpetuates the problem.

When CBS is editing the news to misrepresent a Presidential candidate it is not a stretch to be concerned about what news gets to public view. I have no real technical skills of my own but did enough work with civilian intelligence agencies to know what is possible for those who do have cyberpowers, time and resources.

When I first started writing at Newsvine my primary topic was gmo food and a lot of users accused me of paranoia and conspiracy theory in even suggesting that untested changes had been made to the food supply by the Agent Orange gang. Lo and behold, it was the truth. Given a choice between being excessively skeptical or trusting, I'll always err on the side of assuming the worst is a possibility. In fact, under this regime, reality has generally been worse than any paranoid fear.

And you think your life will improve under Obama

Show me a single example where I have even hinted at that or offered more than criticism.

My cousin worked in a low level clerical position at the CIA, too. Other than that joke, she wasn't privvy to any inside information.

Well I had a security clearance as lead for a prime contractor, awarded an RFP for a communications network and was privy to far more than the joke. What's that got to do with anything?

You need some crust on that pie. Otherwise, it just doesn't taste like pie

I have no clue what that means.

So are you saying you are not an obamaphile?

That's a heck of a way to rephrase your accusation. Nice way to turn the tables from your mistake to my problem to defend against a false claim. I have never offered support for any candidate but oldfogey when he ran in the Congressional primary and for the record he was on the GoP ticket in another state. If you want to make assumptions, you'd better find some facts to back them up.

I'm generally mistrusting of all politicians and have never offered a single comment that could be construed as even mild support of Obama or anyone else. So far my comments on Obama are limited to criticisms of FISA, though I will criticize anyone in the media offering false attacks against anyone in any position.

I look for spin and truth and could care less who is involved, party, position or past actions. Feel free to challenge anything I say but don't invent material to support a preconceived view of me thank you.

What does your claimed minor CIA clearance have to do with anything? So you had a security clearance for a job. What is your point in bringing it up?

It was in response to your snarky comment that your cousin was a know nothing secretary, too!! It seemed a little classier than saying bite me. The implication was that I'm clueless and the reality is you've got no idea what anyone else knows.

The reality is there are many who know far more than either of us and making assumptions leads to wrong conclusions. You've had a long list of errors just about me and just today, so take the know it all attitude and adjust for unknowns which are nearly always more.

With that said, relax, Pamela, everyone get's paranoid once in awhile. My mouse pointer would not work this morning. Was it a plot to prevent me from posting...... ;-) In reality all I needed was a new battery.

That's the most ridiculous remark I've read in a while. Just because you can invent false connections has zero relevance to anything. Maybe I just know more than you do and the fact that ignorance is bliss gives you a false sense of security. You can't know what you don't know and assuming greater knowledge than you actually have is far more dangerous than assuming there's a possibility that there are things you don't know that lend credibility to claims you find extreme. Live and learn.

I was a Beltway Bandit working for a former covert agent out of Laos in an operation filled with all kinds of former Agency folks. My job was point man so to speak on the RFP from bid to post award transition team, including the benchmarking for preaward evaluations.

To direct and coordinate the procurements that included multiple hardware and software vendors needed to create a global network, back in the days of 300 baud connections and 5MB removable disk drives with tape backups, any network was a beast that required a multivendor effort and mega coding by uber programmers in Unix.

My participation in the project was just under two years and involved other civilian groups like State Department and Treasury Office of Saudi Affairs, a group that ceased to exist post Reagan. I was gone when it was disbanded and folded no clue where the functions went.

By the way, just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't watching you!

That was my comment that started the brooha; it's true, especially now with retroactive immunity. As for job stories, they're not any more exciting than most jobs, lots of desk sitting with a phone, a calculator and a pencil. Boring meetings with stuffed suits and spit shined shoes and the like. Except for one really freaky visit to Defense Mapping and routinely freaky meetings at Perot's EDS, the best part was the income. If I knew then what I know now, or even recalled folks by name maybe I'd have a lot more intrigue to share. As it stands I just know how the $500 hammers get sold and can do that in my sleep, which helps in tracking the crooks though!!

Howdy Jesse, glad to see you here and to know the site is up and running. I'll go check it out and start seeding from there again. Lots of us here have an appetite for NewsLies content. It's nice to have some good news to start the day!! :~)

Aside from the fact that I did not suggest anything about Jesse's site beyond possibly running short of funding, I'll appreciate any snarky remarks at least get my name right. It's six letters, not three! The vanished link was the Salon article so recheck the conversation before branding folks or claiming to be correct in the accusations. Accuracy is always essential with accusations.

Something Wicked This Way Comes....

As I mentioned somewhere, friends overseas have been warning of blocks to US network sites for over a year now. With all the telecom activities the Bush regime have been involved with, there's no telling what exactly what is going on. The suggestion was made that the US was going to have access to news sources restricted, but it is based on areas. Folks in Manhattan which survives on up to the minute, global trading information are not able to have the same restrictions that some other areas do. The financial markets can't have information restrictions so its anyones guess now.

A few of us who have been around for a while always like to default to censorship and conspiracy theories, just to be on the safe side! ((grin)) In fairness there are always glitches with server upgrades, but there are also links that have vanished with none of those conditions to blame.

We know there are censors beyond Newsvine that mess with news things especially coming into the US. Since we have some uber-tech folks around the globe who monitor what happens to news items that vanish, we know Bush vacuum and sweep powers go far and wide. Things are blocked by global region and at times it affects vine seeds with no involvement of the Newsvine staff.

I wasn't blaming any of the newsvine people. It was just something I noticed.

That's okay, we understand. Some of us have been watched like hawks for a long time. You need to remember that with a corporate government the information on individuals has been perfected right down to which types of toilet paper we buy. Every financial transaction, medical condition, every detail of our lives that has a paper record can be accessed by those who want it.

Claims of lacking the ability to gather intelligence are hugely overblown. For heavens sake the biotech companies can track the DNA in their crops in every corner of the globe and have been tracking me since I announced I was making a film about the corruption of the food supply.

Back then Newsvine was nothing but an obscure little site in a deep corner of cyberspace yet they found me within 72 hours of launching the site, almost instantly in terms of intelligence. These companies are the leaders in the War on Drugs. They know who is where and they are watching.

At the time it freaked me out a little, but the best protection is to keep speaking out. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Keep writing and spreading the truth and we'll win.

People tend to believe what makes them comfortable, until the truth becomes uncomfortable or personal enough that they have to deal reality. No sense worrying; it wastes energy too. :~)

There's nothing private on my side. It was meant simply to agree that people who don't think invasion of privacy by Uncle Sam is a problem will believe what they want, but the same folks who run the banking and mega databases run the intelligence operations.

Despite claims of needing more tools have us profiled right down to our preference for wiping with one ply or two. There's a link in the comment above it to the biotechs who track me and my documenting of them watching me. Does that help? For the record I think the tables will turn. :~)

No doubt it's causing folks to brush up their exit strategies and ask who to toss under the bus.